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daniel
Post: May 31st 2008 at 1:51 PM

hey,
is it possible to install tux on my eeepc with linux xandros??Hope you guys can help me out.


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Julian
Post: May 31st 2008 at 1:59 PM

Hi, i don't know about "eeepc".
you should check the tuxguitar dependencies.

if there are available "java", and "swt" for eeepc, so tuxguitar should run without problems.
otherwise may not work.


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Andreas
Post: Jun 7th 2008 at 4:33 PM

Yes it definily is.

I've first installed the compiled version (jet).
Now I'm also running the pure java version, where I have compiled some changes for tuxguitar in (scrolling).

Andreas


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Dave R
Post: Sep 11th 2008 at 10:32 AM

The recompile for scrolling, what did you do and what did it achieve?
I installed Tuxguitar 1.0 on a 900 running Xandros.
I used jet and the version requiring seperate java.
they both worked using the java sound set.
However when I used Timidity through Alsa server
sudo modprobe snd-seq
timidity -ia -Os
the timing on Tuxguitar replay is like a poor, sounds like a badly regulated drummer.
I tweaked Timidity with low cpu options and different soundfonts.
I even played with "nice" via "TaskManager" to assign cpu priority to no avail.
Timidity works great through XMMS for midi files and sounds great with low cpu speed.
Any ideas how to get Tuxguitar timing with Timidity good?


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Julian
Post: Sep 11th 2008 at 12:11 PM

Timidity as daemon allways take some CPU.
If you want better latency you may test fluidsynth.


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Dave R
Post: Sep 11th 2008 at 11:54 PM

I also tried Fluidsynth using the same soundfonts I had used with Timidity.
Even after reverb etc. was switched off the cpu count for Fluidsynth went through the roof.
Timidity only showed 20% useage.
This was measured using the Xandros Performance Monitor.
Initially Fluidsyth seemed smoother to run but suffered similar errors.
Timidity can play a midi file using XMMS and its midi plugin using the Fluid (140MB) soundfont totally smoothly with 20% cpu.
This was with full quality Timidity (reverb etc.)
I wonder if there is some interuption from other processes I would have thought lack of cpu muscle would produce glitches and sound dropouts on soft synths not timing errors.

Dave R


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Android-808
Post: Sep 12th 2008 at 8:08 AM

When you say you had it working using the java sound set, what do you mean? Do you mean MIDI playback was working with the Java Sound Synthesizer?

If so, how'd you do that! I can't get any output using the Java sound option, even though the the Jet version installs what I believe to be the sound bank in the rt/lib/audio folder. I even changed the guitar to a piano effect to see if it was just a missing instrument in the soundbank.


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Android-808
Post: Sep 12th 2008 at 8:26 AM

Just tried it with the BitRocks installer version...still nothing, going back to Timidity for the moment.


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Julian
Post: Sep 12th 2008 at 9:32 AM

Dave:
I don't know how timidity plugin for XMMS works.
but you can test alsa's way by running a midi as:
aplaymidi --port 128:0 FILE.mid

I get some CPU ussage with it too. (and with other apps like rosegarden, noteedit, etc)

Android:
One of the problems of the java sound synthesizer ( and other java sound api devices ) is that it seems to use "oss".
I could never confirm it at all, because Java sound synth have a closed license. so i can't see the sources.

The problem of OSS, is that on "some" (not on all) soundcard drivers, it have problems with it. one known problem, is when 2 applications try to open sound device at same time it just fails, and note that a messenger also use sounds. on other cases, it don't work at all.

So maybe this is what is happening for you, if you see "MidiUnavailableException".
Some users fix it by installing "alsa-oss", and then exec tuxguitar as:
alsa-oss tuxguitar

You can also test Gervill (an openjdk replace for java synth):
https://gervill.dev.java.net/
It support soundfont2 files instead of beatnik soundbanks
but as it is written on pure java, it may have some delay on non bigs CPUs.


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Dave R
Post: Sep 12th 2008 at 11:50 AM

Thanks very much for your input Julian you have left me with plenty of things to try I will try all these and report back (dont know how long this will take).
There are options in the sound config gui for sound I have set it for max buffer, there is also OSS settings etc. I will fiddle.
Will try GuitarPro with Wine this will not include any Java and may give clues.

Using the java soundbank was just a case of downloading the application and selecting "exe" in the properties, double click installs then run it.
I checked that "tools...plugins...java api was ticked and it was.
I changed the java soundbank for a less bad one but otherwise it was plain sailing, no need to set anything else up.
Both the "jet" version and the smaller non inclusive java version were the same.


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Julian
Post: Sep 12th 2008 at 12:38 PM

> Both the "jet" version and the smaller non inclusive java version were the same.
Jet version is a native Java Virtual Machine.
but it still uses "Sun" libraries.
so "Java Sound Synthesizer" is the same, the only diff is the interpreter.

By the way, if you want to test synths without java you can install rosegardern, noteedit, or see for other notation editors.
With all of them, you'll be able to select an "alsa" port.
This command will show you the ports connected to alsa:
aconnect -o

And, with the command what i posted before:
aplaymidi --port [PORT] [MIDI_FILE]

You can test that ports.
Ofcource "aplaymidi" may be faster than "notation" editors, because it only play the song, while editors must play, and paint the gui.

However, "tuxguitar-alsa", the plugin what connect to alsa ports, uses a native "C" library.
So i don't think the problem would be java itself.
I used rosegarden and allways got same CPU usage and delay as on tuxguitar (depending the synth | soundfont used ).
In my experience, timidity allways get me a little delay (not enougth), and fluidsynth never have it.
but both uses about 25% of my CPU.


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Dave R
Post: Sep 12th 2008 at 6:55 PM

Julian you are the man!
The badly timed playback must have been an OSS ALSA issue.
I have changed my sound hardware configuration to ALSA and problem cured.
Now I will try Fluidsynth to see if its more CPU riendly.

Thanks for ALL the info.


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