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otto
Post: Apr 14th 2007 at 2:25 PM

Hi,
First congratulation, this is a great soft, the best free software for reading and editing files from guitarpro i ever found.

But I would like to know if you're going to make the drum scores looking like real drum scores... Because it's impossible to read for a drumer like this...

If you're not planning this or if you don't want to fix it, could you please mail me and maybe tell me which part of the code manage this, and maybe a little explanation of how it works... I would be glad to try to help this open source project.

thx

otto

holliger.benoit(a)gmail.com


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Julian
Post: Apr 15th 2007 at 2:26 PM

don't worry, its planned


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TomB
Post: Aug 12th 2007 at 6:00 AM

It would be nice if you'd do it better than GP then. This means dropping the tab staffs and have all the editing done on the score staff, like e.g. in Finale. It always appeared bizarre to me that you have to enter drumparts with numbers on a tablature staff.


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Peter
Post: Nov 16th 2007 at 7:57 AM

Hi Julian,

when do you plan to implement the correct drum scores look?
thanx peter


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Johnny
Post: Nov 19th 2007 at 7:50 PM

Yes, yes, but the fact is noone knows the correct theory. I tried to google on the matter, but I found nothing.
So if anyone can help with correct drume scores theory/practices, we are happy to listen.


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EagleWing
Post: Feb 13th 2008 at 1:36 AM

Just a suggestion: You could look into Hydrogen which is an open source drum machine for linux for ideas. Just make it compatable for Windows ;)

PS: Awesome software.


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Johnny
Post: Feb 13th 2008 at 3:52 AM

Yes, we have Hydrogen in mind. TuxGuitar already has something very similar (Matrix Mixer) in new version.
But merging with Hydrogene would be just perfect...

About the drum scores, I've found one description that is good enough: http://drumscore.com/legend.html

Mixed with a knowledge of a professional drummer, TuxGuitar will have drum scores in the next version (2.0 or prior).


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johnny
Post: Feb 13th 2008 at 3:53 AM

Pardon, Matrix Editor (not Mixer)
If you don't have CVS version, you can read about it in Wiki :)
http://tuxguitar.com.ar/tgwiki/doku.php?id=doc:matrix_editor


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jp.fox
Post: Mar 12th 2008 at 2:22 PM

It would be wonderful if drum scores would look like real one :-)

Thank you Julian for this great soft.

I will try to find information about MIDI numbers and drum score printing...


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jp.fox
Post: Mar 12th 2008 at 2:44 PM

Wikipedia is a good starting point :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percussion_notation


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Korijn
Post: May 30th 2008 at 8:25 AM

I'm a drummer. I could write you a decent legend. Actually, Guitar Pro's symbols for the instruments are correct and easy to remember. Maybe it'd be easier for drummers to have prints by both applications to look similar as well.

The URL you posted doesn't contain any differences for the Cymbals except for the Ride... there's a whole bunch of symbols. I could teach you. Mail me if you need the help!

k0rijn[at]gm4il.com (replace numbers with letters, lower case)


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ynnorj
Post: Jun 4th 2008 at 7:11 AM

I don't know if this idea of mine is feasible and proper, but I'll try to speak my mind :)...

This software could show the fretboard, as well as the piano keyboard, right?

Would it be of great help to drum newbies if tuxguitar could also show the drumset? It's like the software shows the drumset and as the user plays or inputs the drum notes, the drumset highlights which part of the set is being hit. For example, a cymbal note is played by the software, then the cymbal on the drumset is highligted. Like what is done on a fretboard and the keyboard...

thanks.


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Tails
Post: Sep 11th 2008 at 11:34 AM

Thats a good idea. Wouldnt even be that hard to implement I think.


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kees
Post: Sep 11th 2008 at 1:23 PM

I don't think hydrogen is an good option. There are no rules in hydrogen, all the drumkits are different!

You better use the general midi settings and take a look at how Lilypond does it!

Check: http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/Documentation/user/lilypond/Percussion-staves.html#Percussion-staves

And scroll a bit downwards, to see what I mean.

Here is an project which uses Lilyond to make drum scores, maybe they can offer some help.
http://superbonus.project.free.fr/?lang=en

Also MuseScore is developing drumscores right now, so you could also make contact with them!!


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Anonymous
Post: Sep 11th 2008 at 1:26 PM

Check this for general midi settings. Remember sequencing the drumscore with hydrogen drumkits is very difficult, but they have also a general midi drumkit I believe...

Check this for the GM midi drum settings!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GMStandardDrumMap.gif


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Anonymous
Post: Sep 11th 2008 at 1:32 PM

And if you want to develop something in your program which should fit with other apps like lilypond, hydrogen, Rosegarden etc.

You should share your plans and questions on the linux developer mailinglist. Otherwise linux audio apps will not fit right with eachother!

http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev

Good luck with the project!!! :)


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-
Post: Sep 12th 2008 at 2:14 PM

do you know where i can find the drumscore of paolo nutini - new shoes?

thank you.


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lol
Post: Apr 8th 2009 at 6:01 PM

Can someone tel me what the best program is to wirte a drumscore by my own


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Anonymous
Post: Sep 23rd 2009 at 9:26 PM

Can you tell when it is planed to have the printing of drum scores ready


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Anonymous
Post: Aug 30th 2010 at 2:10 PM

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zwenny
Post: Nov 1st 2010 at 12:00 PM

This is maybe a little different
but it also refers to drum notation:

Is it possible to add a table explaining
the numbers for drum elements, like it is
in Guitar Pro. I think this wouldn't be
such a big thing and it's quite useful
if you write drum notation in TuxGuitar.


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Drummer #1
Post: Jul 14th 2011 at 8:03 AM

I think too that the notation like explained in wikipedia is the most easiest way to show the drum notations.Every magazine,every programm shows the notation in a small difference way but the way it´s now on Tuxguitar is just terrible.
I think its not too difficult to show the notation in a little bit more uniformly way.
If you have any Questions
write me an E-mail at:
www.oeffoeff1967@web.de


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Stam
Post: Jul 20th 2011 at 12:19 PM

After my first little plugin i'm gonna work on a drum display (like piano display but with a drum), so it's gonna be very simple to write tab with drum or to learn the drum of a tab :)


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Drummer #1
Post: Sep 4th 2011 at 10:39 AM

The way to type notes for drums is already good but the drum scores should be readable,i would like to help to correct this but i can´t programm things.


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Heidi Holappa
Post: Sep 7th 2011 at 6:41 AM

I agree, that it could be a nice idea to use a similiar drum notation that GuitarPro6 uses. It's pretty close to what is being mostly used these days and is easy to read. Though I personally prefer the notationstyle used in the scores that can be found from www.onlinedrummer.com - site.

If you want to check good drumscores for reference, this guy does really beautiful scores:

http://www.drumscore.com/

Here's an example song with a notation guide:
http://onlinedrummer.com/beat_sheets.php?Id=119

Things that come first to mind:

- I find it important to have the ability to separate staves (snare & b.drum staves go down, hats/ride/cymbals go up)
- Hi-hat's open/close - positioning should be easy to read from the notes. I personally prefer one fixed note-value for hi-hat with an added symbol (+/o or +/-) that tells the open/close - status of the pedal.


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Drummer #1
Post: Sep 7th 2011 at 7:59 PM

Yes,this drumscores are really simple,but we shouldn´t speculate too much about it,because there is no perfect drum notation,but the way like in Tuxguitar is just unreadable.
And that´s not okay and i would like to correct it but i am not able to programm things.
Hope anyone is interested to correct this.
If there are any questions:
oeffoeff1967@web.de


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Drummer#1
Post: Oct 8th 2011 at 5:55 PM

When will be the next Release of the new Tuxguitar and when will there be a real drum notation?


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